Ep. 14: The Seven Rules of Trust: Designing Trust at Scale with Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales

 

What happens when you shift from a seven-stage approval process that screams “we don't trust you” to a radically open model where almost anyone can edit anything?

In this episode, we feature a special conversation (originally hosted by Pete Mockaitis of How to Be Awesome at Your Job) with Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. Jimmy shares the story of how Wikipedia went from an intimidating, top-down editorial system to the open-source knowledge powerhouse we know today.

This conversation explores how designing systems that assume good faith promotes more trustworthy behavior. Jimmy also connects these principles to real-world examples across industries: subscription dark patterns, pandemic health guidance, social media algorithms, and why Netflix succeeded where Blockbuster failed.

As you listen, consider Jimmy’s invitation to take a “trust inventory” and notice where your own organization may be unintentionally signaling mistrust and what could change if you flipped that script.

What You’ll Learn:

  • How the Seven Rules of Trust emerged from Wikipedia’s early failures and reinvention.

  • What it really means to design trust at scale inside large, open systems.

  • Why assuming good faith can be more powerful than control in leadership and organizations.

  • How subtle design choices quietly shape whether people feel trusted or policed.

  • Where modern institutions and platforms unintentionally lose credibility.

  • Why transparency and independence still matter in a world driven by metrics and clicks.

  • A simple “trust inventory” you can apply to your own organization or work.


Ideas Worth Sharing:

  • “One of the things people first think of when you say ‘what makes an organization more trustworthy?’ … is transparency.” - Jimmy Wales

  • “If you approach someone and you trust them—and you make it clear that you're trusting them—they're very likely to reciprocate because humans are like that.” - Jimmy Wales

  • “Take a trust inventory. So think about all the different aspects of your work life, your home life, all of that. ‘What are the things that I could do to help people trust me, and what are the things I can do to encourage other people to be trustworthy?’” - Jimmy Wales


About Jimmy Wales:

Jimmy Wales is the co-founder of Wikipedia and a pioneer of the open knowledge movement. He helped create one of the world’s largest and most trusted information platforms by building a global community based on collaboration, transparency, and shared purpose. In addition to Wikipedia, Jimmy is the author of The Seven Rules of Trust, where he explores how individuals and institutions can earn credibility through independence, respect, and ethical system design. His work continues to shape conversations around trust, media, and the future of the internet.

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Follow Jimmy:

LinkedIn: Jimmy Wales

Follow Pete:

LinkedIn: Pete Mockaitis


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